Vespa LX150 Total Cost of Ownership

Last week on the ride home I noticed a marked reduction in power accelerating from a stop along Lombard. At each light, I felt the same thing, almost as if the throttle’s connection to the engine had become a rubber band. I could get up to speed, but it took a long time getting there. I thought I also heard some rattling, but with a helmet on, it was hard to tell if it was coming from the scooter or from another car. The next morning I had Stephanie take it for a ride around the block, and she confirmed that something was really wrong.

Conveniently the San Francisco Vespa dealership is only a few blocks away, but somewhat annoyingly, there’s a month lead time for appointments, and this just couldn’t wait. It was even more pressing when I realized I had just 4 days left on my year warranty before it expired. I called to see if they could squeeze me in, and their response was pretty much: “Maybe.” This burned me a little, but I dropped it off anyway, and crossed my fingers.

Third Service, new rear tire

Well it turns out they did fit me in, discovered a busted “clutch pulley” and were able to replace it under warranty (saving me $260). Since I was almost at 4000 miles, I decided to have them perform my 3rd service and replace a bald rear tire. Total cost: $568.03. At which point most car owners would be cringing. I suppose owning a Vespa saves me money in a number of ways, but maintenance, at least through a “certified dealership” is not one of them. Since I’m coming up on a year of Vespa ownership, I though it might be illuminating to detail my maintenance costs thus far, for any prospective LX150 buyers out there.

First service, brush touch up

The dealership charges $150 for the first service. If I had bought the scooter from them directly instead of via Craigslist, they would have reduced the price of labor by 40%. That said, when I make an appointment online, they knock 10% off the price, bringing the first service down to $135. Before I brought it in, my scooter had been knocked over, miraculously only getting three little scratches on the right cowl. When I pointed it out, they offered to touch it up, I figured it wouldn’t cost that much. They charged $150! Basically painting over three scratches with the equivalent of black nail polish. That burned me a lot. I also learned a lesson in vanity, as my scooter was tipped over again not long after, completely negating their overpriced brush touch up. So total cost of the first service: $286.60.

New battery

At just over 2,000 miles, in time for my 2nd service, the scooter was starting to sound like it didn’t have enough juice to start the engine. On several separate occasions I actually had to have it jumped! I wasn’t totally surprised, because the same thing happened to Stephanie at exactly the same mileage (perhaps it had something to do with our scooters being tipped). In any case, I made an appointment for the service, but again, they didn’t have any available openings for a month and a half. So I went down to First Kick Scooters, and they installed a larger, sealed battery, originally intended for the ET4 model. Apparently the factory LX batteries are known to lose their juice, which kind of burns me (thanks for nothing Vespa). The new battery cost $112.72.

Second service

When I finally made it to my 2nd service appointment, I was at 2,915 miles. The second service usually costs $250, but with the 10% wait-a-month-and-a-half discount, the total was “only” $226.50. Apparently for that they changed my oil and replaced the filter, plus all “necessary adjustments and checks”. Talk about a pricey oil change. Here’s the rub: the Vespa warranty is void if I have the scooter serviced at a non-certified shop. So essentially I’m being held hostage by Vespa.

Total

In total, with the 3rd service I already mentioned above, I’ve spent $1,193.85 on maintenance over the last year, of which only the $150 brush touch up could be considered unnecessary, though at the same time I lucked out that the $260 clutch pulley replacement happened within 4 days of my warranty expiring. So for a vehicle that only cost me $4300, I’ve already spent 27% of purchase price on maintenance. Ouch. I don’t know if I’m paying a San Francisco labor premium or what, but I’m not sure I’m going back to the Vespa dealership now that my warranty has expired.

Gear, insurance, parking

And of course that total does not include the cost of riding jackets, rain gear, helmets, and gloves which I’ve probably spent about $500 on. Or $500 a year on insurance. Or $60 a year for city street parking plus the inevitable parking tickets (I’ve probably gotten 3-4 so far at $40 a pop).

All that said, I love my Vespa. I wish it looked better, but it’s a tool, not a museum piece. It allows me to get to work on my schedule, and park in the city where ever I want.

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Not to sound too critical, but more than anything it sounds like you need to get a little more mechanically involved in your scooter yourself. Unless it’s covered under warranty or completely outside my mechanical understanding, I keep my cars and my scooters the heck away from the dealer for exactly what you’re pointing out. A scooter is not a NASA Mars Rover and most things it’ll ever need could easily be done by most anyone with basic mechanical coordination. If that’s not you, then that’s fine, there’s nothing wrong with that. All I’m saying is that if you’re any kind of gear head at all, things like oil changes and “routine maintenance” are not rocket science. What they are is the way dealers make money on bikes. The margins on the scooter sales themselves are pretty thin, so it’s accessories and tech service that keep them profitable.

So here’s what you could do. See if there’s a Chilton’s or Vespa factory service manual for your scooter. I bet there is. That’ll go bolt-by-bolt and step-by-step for everything from engine tear down to cable adjustments. It’ll also include all the details on the service intervals and what needs to be replaced/checked at each. That’s the big secret of auto mechanics. They’re not super geniuses, they have the books with the answers and instructions. Then ask your dealer for a checklist of what “necessary adjustments and checks” exactly means. Chances are it’s stuff like checking fluid levels, checking cables for fraying or rust, checking tire condition, maybe lubricating a thing or two. Chances are these are all things you can do yourself. And honestly, half the fun of having a scooter is working on it. Even the Vespas, as fancy as they are, are not nearly as complex as a car. And honestly, there are some very stupid people who work on cars no trouble at all. I think anyone can learn to work on a scooter. It can be intimidating at first, but I think with a little reading and some wrench time, you’d be an expert before you know it. I’d also bet there are more than a few good wrenches in your local scooter club who could show you the ropes.

I have a friend who gave up riding his motorcycle to work because the cost of tires ate up any gas savings.

The part about the dealer being the only one who can service the scooter is total bullshit. There is a federal law the says otherwise. I can’t remember what it is called but it basically says if the dealer is required to do service to the vehicle then they must include it in the price of the vehicle.

Yeah, they totally hosed you on the “must be serviced only by a Vespa dealer” part. As long as you can show you’ve either had the required service done or done it yourself, they have to honor the warranty.

I had my LX150 for little under a year (before it was totalled out…). I put over 5000 miles on it in 10.5 months. I had it tipped a couple times, but since I had crashbars, no paint scratches that I could detect. The week before I wrecked it, I did 700 miles going from Chicago to Cinci for WKRP, with nary a hiccup.

Not counting the gas savings (I was getting 55mpg city and 60+mpg on long rides- aggressive speedo though - and I like to go fast), I don’t think I spent near as much as you did (nor did I have the problems you did).

1st service $174 (at 675 mi).
2nd service $135 (at 1967 mi).
3rd service and variator belt replacement $364 (at 3992 mi)
New rear tire at 3200 mi $44 tire (ordered) and $45 labor putting it on the rim - I took the wheel off in my friend’s garage.

With helmet, gloves, riding gear, probably close to another $1000. But that includes lap apron and handlebar muffs, and I rode all winter in Chicago, which had to save me more gas (and was more fun than driving, most days - and I could congratulate myself on being hardcore the rest of the time).

I bought a p200 now, but plan on getting another LX150 (or Vespa S - same thing) once I can afford one. Mine was a tank, even with 5k miles on it. It totalled out at $3500 at a year old and that many miles on it.

With this kind of dealer service, Vespa seems likely to go the way of Fiat (”Fix It Again Tony”) in the USA. I’ll be in the market for a scooter for my beach house this summer, and it looks like I’ll be buying Japanese.

seems incredibly expensive. a motorcycle would be less money, safer, have better road presence and be more durable. not to mention you would be licensed and therefore a better rider. lose the vespa. i know you think it’s cool, but this isn’t naples. gas mileage is comparable. a harley even gets mileage in the mid 40’s and a sportbike in the 60’s.

Sorry to hear about your misfortune, but I agree with the other posters that you really ought to be changing your own oil, and you could probably fix the other stuff yourself too, especially given a month and a half wait time that the dealer is quoting you. Research online, buy a service manual, invest in some basic tools. My motorcycle, which I bought for $800, would have cost me well over $1200 this spring in maintenance had I gone to the dealer. As it is, it’s cost me $300, most of that in tools I didn’t own, which is a one-time fee. By my calculations, your services should have cost you less than $200, including putting a new rear tire on.

Also, you say the phrase “burns me” a lot. There are plenty of other ways to express your frustration.

Thanks all for the comments.

Nathaniel and Erich, you’re probably right that I should just get my hands dirty and learn how to change the oil, but frankly I just haven’t been inclined to. And without a garage or really any tools, I’ve been even less inclined. I’m a real city mouse these days I guess!

Becky, thankfully I’m not riding a scooter to save on gas, I’m riding it to save on parking (and ease of finding parking). But wearing through rear tires every 3-4,000 miles is going to get annoying.

Nick, I actually took a motorcycle safety course (granted I took it using a scooter) and have a motorcycle license, as required by the state of California for any two-wheeled vehicle over 50cc. That said, I admit I have been eying some hot motorcycles lately.

I’ve also got a LX150 with over 12K miles. I’ve gotta say, your costs seem pretty high here and I’m not sure they’re typical.

A replacement battery, for instance, should cost about $50. The install takes 5 minutes, tops. The tire replacement cost seems similarly very high. You should also consider a different rear tire—what did they put on there? The Michelin Pilots lasted me about 6K miles of pretty hard daily riding. I am now trying out a Continental Zippy 1.

While it’s true the dealer does not need to do the service in order to keep the warranty valid (that’s the Magnuson-Moss Act), the first maintenance should be done by the dealer or a mechanic, as should the one around 4K miles. These include valve and carb checks, etc. beyond simple oil changes.

That said, I’m not mechanically inclined and had no experience before my LX and change my own oil, filter, and rollers and can do other basic maintenance and repairs. It helps. There’s a Haines manual for the LX, but it also covers several other models. Lots of help and tutorials on modernvespa.com, though.

I also switched from the Vespa dealer to other mechanics, first at a smaller dealer then to an independent (but Vespa-certified) tech with his own garage. The last time I had it in, I got a new tire ($60) and a used Sito exhaust ($100) and the labor was only $90.

Where on the Vespa is proof that I purchased a 2008 Vespa?

Darren, where did you serviced you vespa in Chicago?
I live in Chicago and my dealer was telling me my first service would be a little under $300. I would rather let it brake and not pay that much.